{"id":3811,"date":"2020-07-20T04:01:21","date_gmt":"2020-07-20T04:01:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/?post_type=insight_resource&#038;p=3811"},"modified":"2020-07-24T02:16:20","modified_gmt":"2020-07-24T02:16:20","slug":"inside-in-house-podcast-episode-2-the-entertainment-industry","status":"publish","type":"insight_resource","link":"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/resources\/resource\/inside-in-house-podcast-episode-2-the-entertainment-industry","title":{"rendered":"Inside In-House Podcast Episode 2: The Entertainment Industry"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Following on from&nbsp;our&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/resources\/resource\/inside-in-house-podcast-episode-1-general-counsel-as-trusted-advisers\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">podcast launch interview<\/a>, where&nbsp;Tyrilly&nbsp;Csillag, Head of In-House and Commercial at Practical Law interviewed Michelle Dillon, General Counsel at Verifone, our latest&nbsp;<em>Inside In-House<\/em>&nbsp;episode is a pivot from the FinTech space to the entertainment sector.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>Tyrilly&nbsp;spoke with two experienced corporate counsel on the program. They are Ivana Kovacevic, Assistant General Counsel at Aristocrat and Cameron Stewart, Senior Legal Counsel at Foxtel. Hear their stories from the entertainment industry in the podcast&nbsp;below, or&nbsp;continue reading for the show notes.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><div style=\"width: 100%; height: 170px; margin-bottom: 20px; border-radius: 10px; overflow: hidden;\"><iframe style=\"width: 100%; height: 170px;\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/player.captivate.fm\/ab7350c1-c9ab-4a19-8d85-8d232c7c1bf9\"><\/iframe><\/div><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Podcast show notes&nbsp;<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The in-house X&nbsp;factor&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>This&nbsp;particular episode&nbsp;sparked a \u2018full circle\u2019 moment for&nbsp;Tyrilly. She met and worked with Cameron while back in private practice. Whilst there,&nbsp;Tyrilly&nbsp;found herself on the opposite side of litigation with Ivana, when Ivana was practising at a law firm! The legal profession is indeed a small world.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This leads us into our first section of the podcast, in which Cameron and Ivana discuss the pathways and reasons for moving in-house.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"620\" height=\"395\" src=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/in-house-pod2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3816\" srcset=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/in-house-pod2.png 620w, https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/in-house-pod2-300x191.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><figcaption><em><strong>Pictured from left to right (taken before the pandemic): <\/strong>Ivana Kovacevic, Assistant General Counsel, Aristocrat, Tyrilly Csillag, Head of In-House and Commercial &#8211; Practical Law and Cameron Stewart, Senior Legal Counsel, Foxtel.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>For Ivana, while the opportunity came up for her in an unplanned way, the decision to remain there remains clear.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cI work with a great team and the company&nbsp;is&nbsp;full of such talent &#8211; both legal and non-legal. We have artists, mathematicians and everything in between! It&#8217;s really inspiring to go to work and be surrounded by people like that,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Work-wise, like most in-house professionals will tell you, no two days are the same for Ivana. But another plus factor is the commercial focus. At Aristocrat, Ivana is pleased with how close she is to her client and its business. As Ivana explained:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>\u201cImmersion into the business comes with a unique ability to support the business, to really understand what it wants and also to have a seat at the table when strategic decisions are being made so you can influence and support it from the start\u201d<\/em>&nbsp;<\/p><cite>&#8211; <em>Ivana Kovacevic, Assistant General Counsel at Aristocrat<\/em>&nbsp;<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Over at Foxtel, what attracted Cameron to join its legal department was his love for entertainment content and commercial law.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cYou don&#8217;t really get that in-depth experience from private practice, where you&#8217;re working on the periphery and you&#8217;re working for multiple clients. When working in-house, you kind of gain plenty of knowledge around what drives different facets of the business,\u201d said Cameron.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A typical day for Cameron and his legal team is very diverse, depending on the projects they have operating at the time.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>\u201cIf I&#8217;m working on a production, particularly a&nbsp;scripted production, that will take up an inordinate amount of time during the day, and everything else can get pushed back because there are certain time-frames<\/em>&#8221; <\/p><cite>&#8211; <em>Cameron Stewart, Senior Legal Counsel at Foxtel<\/em>&nbsp;<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Furthermore, Cameron added that while the variability of each day may be challenging, it is also the feature that makes working in-house fun.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Related article:<\/strong>&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/posts\/legal-operations-manager-at-austpost-shares-her-career-story\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Legal Operations Manager at AustPost Shares her Career Story<\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Entertainment industry challenges&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Providing legal guidance to businesses operating in the entertainment sector is challenging, as it is very highly regulated. This can make for an adrenaline-filled legal environment at times.&nbsp;Tyrilly&nbsp;invited the guests to share some stories about&nbsp;any&nbsp;crisis&nbsp;or&nbsp;unique challenges they have faced. Cameron responded:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cOften you&#8217;ll be in a situation in a room where, particularly with the creative guys, they want to add some controversy, particularly in TV, they want to say&nbsp;risqu\u00e9&nbsp;things.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>\u201cYou&#8217;ve just got to pull them back a little bit. Your concern is of the company and its&nbsp;reputation as a whole, whereas&nbsp;their concern is getting the ratings or whatever it may be&#8230;It\u2019s about finding a balance and there\u2019s always a solution to such problems\u201d<\/em>&nbsp;<\/p><cite>&#8211; <em>Cameron Stewart, Senior Legal Counsel at Foxtel<\/em>&nbsp;<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana shared a bit about her experience working in a crisis management team, which she called out&nbsp;could&nbsp;be&nbsp;really&nbsp;intense&nbsp;and important&nbsp;work. In a real-life crisis scenario, it usually starts with a phone call.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cWe&#8217;ve been here before,\u201d Ivana told Cameron and&nbsp;Tyrilly. \u201cIf it&#8217;s a particular type of problem, then it might require the crisis management team to be formed straightaway.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>By way of advice to&nbsp;other in-house lawyers,&nbsp;Ivana considers crisis management experience to be an excellent development opportunity, because as a lawyer, you will learn a great deal more about your company and your colleagues in other departments&nbsp;and their drivers.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"620\" height=\"395\" src=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/in-house-pod2-v2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-3823\" srcset=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/in-house-pod2-v2.png 620w, https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2020\/07\/in-house-pod2-v2-300x191.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 620px) 100vw, 620px\" \/><figcaption><em><strong>Pictured left to right (taken before the pandemic):<\/strong><\/em> <em>Tyrilly Csillag, Head of In-House and Commercial &#8211; Practical Law<\/em>, <em> Cameron Stewart, Senior Legal Counsel, Foxtel<\/em>, and <em>Ivana Kovacevic, Assistant General Counsel, Aristocrat<\/em>.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Crisis management in respect of cyber security is explored in the recent Thomson Reuters webinar,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/resources\/resource\/webinar-cyber-risks-and-data-threats-for-virtual-workforces\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Cyber Risks and Data Threats for Virtual Workforces<\/em><\/a>.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Technology tips for legal teams&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>According to Ivana, anything that can free up time for staff so they can do more value-adding work, is a bonus. One example of this is delegating repetitive tasks to&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/posts\/lessons-from-lockdown-learning-to-trust-legal-technology\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">trusted technologies<\/a>.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>\u201cWe do have different technology in this space. We have, for example, Practical Law, which I think I&#8217;ve heard someone describe as like having a specialist legal in-house team within your legal in-house team. It really is like that. It enables us to answer questions on, say, new areas of law where there aren\u2019t&nbsp;many experts and to do that quickly for the business, which is really good\u201d<\/em>&nbsp;<\/p><cite>&#8211; <em>Ivana Kovacevic, Assistant General Counsel at Aristocrat<\/em><\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Ivana\u2019s legal department also has electronic billing, which has been a huge time-saver, as well as&nbsp;electronic&nbsp;document execution.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cFor people listening who don&#8217;t have much tech in their teams, this is the low hanging fruit. It&#8217;s visible to the rest of the business, not just to the legal team.\u201d&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Related webinar:<\/strong><strong><em>&nbsp;<\/em><\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/resources\/resource\/webinar-legal-operations-balancing-act-and-in-house-success-stories\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>The Legal Operations Balancing Act and In-House Success Stories<\/em><\/a><em><\/em>&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Features to look for in external counsel&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Does it matter whether your law firm adviser utilises legal technologies to help provide you with guidance? For Cameron, it\u2019s becoming more important.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p><em>\u201cIf we&#8217;re farming out trademark work or patent work for example, we want to ensure that our external advisers have the right technology to sit behind so they don&#8217;t miss any critical dates\u201d<\/em>&nbsp;<\/p><cite>&#8211; <em>Cameron Stewart, Senior Legal Counsel at Foxtel<\/em>&nbsp;<\/cite><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>However, responsiveness and committing to deadlines is&nbsp;really important&nbsp;too, especially in the entertainment industry when the show must go on.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cBe practical. We want our legal advisors to know our business and to know the industry,\u201d said Cameron.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In addition, a feature that Cameron looks for are soft skills which enable external counsel to provide honest and unambiguous legal guidance.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Making the move to in-house&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>When you work in a corporate legal team for&nbsp;a number of&nbsp;years, whether it\u2019s in the entertainment industry or otherwise, you become entrenched in your area as a specialist. As Cameron emphasised, it\u2019s very hard to swap into another sector or industry.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is why&nbsp;Cameron urged new law grads to work out what their strengths and interests are, then follow them.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cYou&#8217;ve got to ask yourself, is private practice the best route for me? In-house, community&nbsp;law centres, or government? What&#8217;s going to benefit you the best? You\u2019ve got to kind of be thinking about this all along the way,\u201d said Cameron.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To our readers and listeners who aim to become a GC, Ivana\u2019s offered some pointers. The first, is to get exposure&nbsp;to&nbsp;more areas of the law before you venture in-house. This will put you in a really good position, because it\u2019s what your daily work will look like.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cYou are not going to be expected to be the expert in every conceivable area of law. But you need to know enough about a lot&nbsp;[of&nbsp;different areas of law], if not all,&nbsp;to&nbsp;at least&nbsp;know&nbsp;<em>when<\/em>&nbsp;you need specialist advice,\u201d said Ivana.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The second tip Ivana provided is to be commercial and know your client well.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cEmbrace that you&#8217;re not providing advice in a vacuum. Be commercial, be practical. Think outside the box and give your client options. 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