{"id":1751,"date":"2019-10-14T13:07:11","date_gmt":"2019-10-14T02:07:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/?post_type=insight_resource&#038;p=1751"},"modified":"2020-06-23T00:36:57","modified_gmt":"2020-06-23T00:36:57","slug":"change-makers-podcast-episode-4-male-agents-of-change","status":"publish","type":"insight_resource","link":"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/resources\/resource\/change-makers-podcast-episode-4-male-agents-of-change","title":{"rendered":"Change Makers Podcast Episode 4: Male Agents of Change"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Change Makers is a global Thomson Reuters initiative that brings together industry leaders committed to improving gender equality and diversity in the legal profession. Catherine Roberts, Strategic Global Client Director at <a href=\"https:\/\/legal.thomsonreuters.com.au\/\">Thomson Reuters Legal<\/a> in Asia and Emerging Markets, has spoken with a range of compelling thought leaders about the advancement of women in the legal profession.<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode, Catherine welcomes the first male champion of change to take part in the program, Andrew Stewart, a Partner at Baker McKenzie. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Andrew is a vocal supporter of gender equality. He demonstrates this commitment through actively participating in Baker McKenzie\u2019s \u201cMale Agents of Change\u201d program, which he helped launch in 2016. Hear about the positive impact of the program and Andrew\u2019s experiences in the conversation below:<\/p>\n\n\n<div style=\"width: 100%; height: 170px; margin-bottom: 20px; border-radius: 10px; overflow: hidden;\"><iframe style=\"width: 100%; height: 170px;\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\" seamless=\"\" src=\"https:\/\/player.captivate.fm\/episode\/f16cf033-32c4-453e-bf0d-b47007b95ee7\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Podcast show notes<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Change Makers Podcast 4: Male Agents of Change <\/em>highlights how global law firms, seen in Baker McKenzie\u2019s Male Agents of Change program, are taking steps to ensure progress is made for women in the legal profession.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In 2019, Baker McKenzie became the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bakermckenzie.com\/en\/newsroom\/2019\/06\/gender-targets\">first global law firm<\/a> to set 40:40:20* gender targets, applying to Partners, senior business professionals, firm committee leadership and candidate pools for recruitment. Andrew is in full support of the move, which aims to get there by July 2025. It is his view that targets are really important, \u201cbecause not having them hasn\u2019t worked yet\u201d.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As the podcast host, Catherine has been curious to hear how Andrew positions the gender equality agenda among his peers. She asks Andrew why it is so important for <em>men<\/em> to prioritise progress in the profession.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cI think number one, is that &#8211; until we don&#8217;t need to have these podcasts, until we don&#8217;t need to talk about gender equality &#8211; really, this is an issue that men have to commit to working on,\u201d responds Andrew.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"652\" src=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2019\/10\/male-agents-of-change.png\" alt=\"male-agents-of-change\" class=\"wp-image-1752\" srcset=\"https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2019\/10\/male-agents-of-change.png 1024w, https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2019\/10\/male-agents-of-change-300x191.png 300w, https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2019\/10\/male-agents-of-change-768x489.png 768w, https:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/legal\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2019\/10\/male-agents-of-change-740x471.png 740w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption><em>Picture from left: Catherine Roberts, Strategic Global Client Director at Thomson Reuters Legal, Asia and Emerging Markets and Andrew Stewart, Partner at Baker McKenzie, Australia.<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Another topic the interview explores is the uncertainty felt among some in the profession when it comes to mentoring women in the <a href=\"http:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/resources\/resource\/legal-and-practical-implications-of-metoo-toolkit\">#metoo<\/a> era. Catherine asks Andrew for his take on this, to which he responds by saying that he struggles to understand those who say the boundaries are blurred.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>\u201cIt&#8217;s an odd world in which we live, that women who have been discriminated against are going to then be further discriminated against because senior members of the profession don&#8217;t feel comfortable in doing what they absolutely must, which is mentor women. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cBut at a fundamental level, I just don&#8217;t believe that people can be confused by it. I think that particularly in the legal profession, for someone to claim that they don&#8217;t really understand where the boundary is\u2026I think it is pretty clear that [poor] behaviour is obviously unwanted. If someone says no, or they complain, if you can&#8217;t trust yourself, through mentoring someone and having coffees with them, to coach them\u2026There&#8217;s something really fundamentally wrong with the way you&#8217;re approaching it.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>RELATED:<\/strong> <a href=\"http:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/resources\/resource\/change-makers-podcast-episode-2-gender-diversity-perspectives-house-lawyers\">Change Makers Podcast Episode 2: Gender Diversity from the Perspectives of In-House Lawyers<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Concerns about unconscious bias are often raised in Change Makers Podcasts. Adding to the wider discussion on the issue, Andrew says that he does not hesitate to call out unconscious bias when he sees it, citing \u201cgenderised\u201d language such as the \u201cassertive man versus the aggressive woman\u201d as a classic example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Did you hear from successful legal leaders in the profession, Larissa Andelman and Jackie Rhodes, at the start of the season? Enjoy another powerful conversation on the need for mentorships in <a href=\"http:\/\/insight.thomsonreuters.com.au\/resources\/resource\/change-makers-podcast-episode-1-gender-diversity-in-legal-leadership\"><em>Change Makers Podcast Episode 1: Elevating Gender Diversity in Legal Leadership<\/em><\/a>. For an email every time a new episode comes out, be sure to<a href=\"https:\/\/connect.thomsonreuters.com.au\/change-maker-registration-episode-two\"> subscribe to the Change Makers Podcast<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>*40% women, 40% men and 20% flexible, which refers to women, men or non-binary persons.<\/em><br><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In this episode, Catherine is pleased to welcome the first male champion of change to take part in the program, Andrew Stewart, a Partner at Baker McKenzie. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":2648,"template":"","categories":[1317,639],"tags":[249,250,256,305,308,420,453,553],"resource_type":[616],"insight_job_role":[597,614,627],"insight_practice_area":[590],"class_list":["entry","author-legaladmin","has-excerpt","post-1751","insight_resource","type-insight_resource","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","category-business-development","category-women-in-law","tag-gender-diversity","tag-gender-equality","tag-global-law-firms","tag-large-law-firms","tag-law-firm-diversity","tag-podcast","tag-quotas","tag-women-in-law","resource_type-podcast","insight_job_role-hr-ir-professional","insight_job_role-partner","insight_job_role-senior-executive","insight_practice_area-employment-law","hentry"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.2 - 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